Talking about weight stigma is suddenly all the rage! But does this mean we’re truly tackling the issues? True to form, diet culture is selling us a carefully crafted narrative about weight stigma IN ORDER TO SELL MORE WEIGHT LOSS PRODUCTS. Join me and anti-diet dietitian and slayer of weight science Dr Fiona Willer, who has developed a weight stigma BS detector which we can ALL USE to separate the facts from the fluff.

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Welcome to all fired up. I’m Louise your host and this is the podcast where we talk all things anti diet. Has diet culture got you in a fit of rage is the injustice of the beauty ideal getting your knickers in a twist? Does Fitspo make you want to spit tspo Are you ready to hurl if you hear one more weight loss tip? Are you ready to be mad, loud and proud? Well, you’ve come to the right place. Let’s get all fired up. Hello diet culture dropouts this week I’ve got a really satisfying rant about how to spot fake weight stigma with the fabulous slayer of weight science Dr. Fiona Wheeler, longtime friend of the podcast. If you love us here on all fired up, please help us spread the word by going to Spotify or Apple podcasts and leave us a really strong five star rating and a lovely review if you have some time. And of course if you’re not yet subscribed or fired up, make sure you do so so you don’t miss any of the rants as they pop out weekly. You’re Fired Up podcast is brought to you by our wonderful untrapped Academy. There’s so much anti diet info out there and sometimes it’s hard to find the time and the energy to digest everything. I created the untrapped Academy to help overwhelmed anti dieters, their access to really great top notch information, skills training and support in easy to digest 30 minute sessions. Every month, we bring you an inspiring speaker talk a skills training session to bring anti diet ideas to life plus a support group. There’s also this incredible Facebook community with hundreds of friendly anti dieters ready to welcome and support you. Everything in the UNTRAPPED Academy is recorded. And we pop our recordings into the resource library so you can access anything to watch at your convenience if you can’t make it live. Our library has already got its crammed with amazing speakers already. So we’ve got Dianne Bondy, Christy Harrison, Dr. Sabrina strings, Ragen Chastain Fiona Sutherland, Sofie Hagen, Chrissy King, E-K Dauphin, Lacey Jade Christie, Ashlea Gillon, Megan Crabbe and of course, our guest today Dr. Fiona Willer and we’re adding new talks all the time. later on this month, we are going to be welcoming the fabulous Amy Pershing, who’s going to talk to us all about binge eating, and how we can manage that which is going to be super useful. So if you’ve struggled with food, body, exercise, all of it, and if you’ve had a gut full of all the diet culture bullshit, just come and join us. And if you’re new to the world of anti dieting, and looking for information, skills, training and support in a really wonderful environment, we are here for you. And if you’re a seasoned anti Dieter looking to keep up with all the new stuff that keeps happening in this world, we are here for you as well. The untrapped Academy is literally the biggest bargain on the internet. Your first month is just one Aussie dollar, and then you can choose from two plans. So there’s the $15 a month plan, which you can use to access the recordings of the skills training sessions and the experts, maker training sessions. Or you can pay $25 a month to get access to everything alive and also access our support group and Facebook group. There is a membership level for everyone here. So if you’ve got people that you think might suit the academy clients, patients, friends, family members, anyone know about us and head over to I hope to see you there. Okay, I’m with a show. So today as I said, my guest is the wonderful friend of the show Dr. Fiona Willer advanced accredited practicing dietitian. She’s got a PhD. She’s studying an ethics degree. She is just all over everything. And she is from health, not diets. So she’s an academic. She’s an educator. She’s a non executive board director and an health advocate with a really long career across higher education plus nonprofit and private sectors. So she does uni lecturing. She’s currently a senior research assistant at the UQ center for community health and well being. She also has this amazing podcast called unpacking weight science. I highly recommend that one. She’s on the board of dieticians, Australia and has previously served on the boards of size inclusive Health Australia plus the Association for Size, diversity and health. She’s basically everywhere doing everything all at once. She’s amazing. So without further ado, let’s welcome fee to the podcast. Dr. Fi Willer. Welcome to all fired up. Hello, hello. I’m so glad to be here again. It’s been a while so tell me what’s firing you up nowadays.
Well, as you will know, a lot of things fire me up. But the thing that has fired me up for a very long time is this fake concern with weight stigma coming out of people who pathologize higher body weight. So it’s so galling, totally galling. They like to use their own research, rather than actually listen to people with lived experience, or in fact, social sciences that aren’t funded by the weightless industry.
Mm hmm. Yeah, it’s like big weight loss masquerading as like, everyone against weight loss. And everyone who’s been working in this genuinely working in this, as well as everyone with lived experience. Of course, it’s just galling is a absolutely beautiful way of putting it. And I am, I was talking about this in their last podcast episode that I put out talking about Rebecca pearls research on this kind of topic, like adding in a fake weight stigma component to their behavioral weight loss stuff, which is just terrible.
It is ridiculous. Because you think everyone does agree that weight stigma is terrible. Some people think that the terribleness to weight stigma should be motivating to larger bodied people. So that is not a great take. But there is this universal kind of understanding that stigma is bad. And that weight stigma is bad. But then when one uncovers exactly what the implications of that are, for the weight loss industry, the weightless industry says, oh, no, not like that. We can’t take out the entire paradigm is of course, what they need to do. They’re the ones who are potentially outsell
Oh, so, so true. And Rebecca, because I wanted to talk to you about this, because when I was looking at her research about the behavioral weight loss in the last episode, I noticed that she has quite a history, like a cozy relationship of getting money from Weight Watchers, and doing research that’s sponsored by Weight Watchers on weight based stigma and discrimination, which is fascinating. I mean,
Weight Watchers is very motivated, as are many of the huge organizations that promote weight loss efforts, very motivated to break down the barriers between people buying their product, the breaking down the barriers so that people share their credit card details more easily than not. And they’ve clocked on to the fact that if people feel shame and stigma that they actually don’t want to interact with that entity, whether that’s the GP that’s horrible to their larger bodied patients, and doesn’t listen to them and just assumes all sorts of things about them. Or whether that’s Weight Watchers, it has a long history of being awful about food, and and awful about not having weight loss efforts, you know, their norms are, if you’re larger, you have a moral imperative to join us and try to be smaller, you know, that’s their whole business model. So they’ve clipped onto the fact that stigma is a block two that makes people want to avoid them rather than go there. And they thought, Okay, this stigma seems to be a problem in our sales proposition, we need to get rid of that. So this is how we end up with these kinds of unholy alliances, where you’ve got the person who’s actually victimizing people, the entity trying to gaslight, everyday users into believing that they’re not actually the problem,
or no, it’s like, Wait, what is that there’s just decades of history of doing harm to larger bodied people. And for them now to be funding research on how weight stigma harms people is just a lot to swallow. So I found this,
yeah, they will make that they’re only doing good. But this is only good that there’s only one way to see the world, that whole paradigm is completely rock solid, they will not be talked off that clear.
They really, really won’t be talked off this cliff. It’s such an odd paper. So I found this one that she’s done back in 2021, which is called international support for policies to address weight based bullying and discrimination. It’s such an odd paper, because what they did was like, basically went out to Weight Watchers members in six different countries, and asked them basically about whether or not they’ve had weight based discrimination, and then ask them about how much they would support changes to laws to make weight discrimination illegal, and also changes to policies about bullying kids on the basis of size. It’s It’s really weird, huh? And it just seems to turn back. Yeah. All right. And it seems like very, like I’ll just think back to here in Australia when we had that.
The Senate inquiry when we had the
equality in marriage. Oh, yes.
Yes. Sex Marriage vote. Yeah,
yeah, we had we had this entire months and months and months of Australian media. And politicians debating whether or not people in same sex relationships should be allowed to get married. And I just remember at the time, you know, I’m a, I’m not gay myself, but like my clients, loads of people in same sex relationships and just just finding it a horrific environment to be in. When people like debating they’re right. Yeah,
human rights are not a debate. Oh, it’s a very clear proposition. Yeah, right. So deserving all humans, you know? Uh, huh. Does political backlash, plus,
it’s failing people out to see if it’s politically palatable. But they did a lot of harm that referendum. And I just think this research from Wait, like, imagine getting a survey from Weight Watchers, and you’re one of their customers, and the survey saying, hey, how much do people hate you because of your size? And we should maybe do something about that yes or no? Like,
truly bizarre. I mean, from a scientific standpoint, that is not a representative sample. There are only people who don’t want to be larger anymore who are being asked. And so they’re more likely to say, are, you know, if I tried hard enough, I wouldn’t be larger. So maybe the discrimination, anti discrimination laws would be not necessary, because I believe that I can change my body size. That’s why I’m your customer. So it’s a very stacked jury, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, it’s a it’s a whole it’s a whole strange thing. But I wanted to talk to you because there is, there is a picture that accompanies this article that I had to send you.
Yes, I haven’t. I’m looking at it right now.
And I know it’s a bit weird. Everyone who’s listening for me and fader be talking about a picture on a podcast so apologies,
but kind of brand we’d love to for you, though. Yes, we shall.
But I will also put it up in the show notes and in the social media when we get back talking about this episode, but so it’s an article and it’s talking about this very weird research sponsored by weight watchers in the middle there is there is a picture would you like to describe the picture for the listeners fee,
we have a scenario here we’ve got two humans in the scenario. And it’s clearly a therapeutic type of exchange that’s happening here. One would assume that as a health professional type person, and then a client slash patient type person. Now, from there, every single other item in this picture is selected to promote the power of the health professional type person, and if not openly, stigmatize but down power, the client.
Yeah, so that two white people and both have female looking, and one scene and one’s larger. And guess which ones which. That’s, that’s the first kind of Porter call with this image, like there is a lighter bodied patient person, and then a thin doctor.
The doctor has a pen and a clipboard, which of course make her very important. Of course, behind her are the bookshelves filled with binders, which presumably signifies knowledge and expertise in this image, behind the patient is a brick wall. Yeah, I’m not sure how the patient feels about that, because we really can’t see very much of a face. It’s an ellipse, but I cannot see the emotion which is holding a tissue Louise. These emotions are being felt here.
There is a box of tissues on the table and the larger bodied lady is clutching and tissue or heads tilted to her side, we can’t see her face. But there’s definitely a suggestion of the larger person being emotional, as the person with the Clipboard is just sort of staring really directly in an unnerving way.
I just so often, I see my colleagues and others who are mistaking the emotion of pity, for the emotion of compassion, you know, they’re feeling something and what they’re thinking they’re feeling is compassion. But in fact, what they’re feeling is pity and I think this is what we’re observing here. This is the kind of dynamic at play when there’s clearly a someone who needs to be fixed. And of course, the narrative in the piece is weight stigma for this person, disagree with the stigmatizing positioning.
That’s how I did the entire picture is incredibly stigmatizing, which is why I had to send it to you.
It is I mean, this is not they didn’t do this picture directly for this article. This is a stock image and I have come across its brothers and sisters. Yeah. image galleries as I’ve been doing some of my more recent work. So I mean, I feel like I know these humans, and none of the setups that they have for these two actors are any better, really, it’s all this. And it’s always a power play. And I’ve seen images like this, very similar to this except maybe across a doctor’s desk, I mean, use to promote weight loss drugs, being used to talk about certain epidemics that may or may not be complete Confections in the minds of weightless industry professionals. So, you know, I think we’ve got kind of this is, it’s an iconic type of image. And it bears talking about because we see it so frequently. And it really deserves critique. It does.
But I think at the moment, they land of these researchers who have just discovered weight stigma and who have done harm against it whilst maintaining all of the actual stigma. They’re very proud of themselves for these images.
Because because they’re actually depicting larger bodied people for once with heads on them.
They have hands Exactly. We’ve come a long way you’re giving them a head. There’s still the sad kind of person that need help. From a thin professional. Yes, yes. So this picture tells 1000 words, doesn’t it? It does.
And it is just kind of business as usual. For diet culture. Yeah. On the screen.
Yeah. So I think this image just reflects where we’re at with like all of these weight loss researchers, obesity, researchers, like just giving people ahead and still treating them like crap is not meaningfully changing. Weight stigma, but correct. But this is I mean, detecting weight stigma is actually becoming more tricky. Because the world is kind of waking up to, we can’t kind of blatantly just make fun of fat people anymore. And we have to give them a heads and all this kind of stuff. So it’s getting harder to kind of it’s like, you know, when in diet culture, we no longer have diets, we have lifestyle change. Yeah, it sort of feels like we no longer have like, like making fun of larger bodied people. But we have kind of like, hidden stigma or like, fake kind of concern for weight stigma.
Yeah. And it’s really hard to differentiate between the narratives because they kind of look similar if you’ve got a picture of somebody larger bodied person, living their lives being awesome. That is quite a that’s a body positive image. And they’re all over social media now from it, no fat positive activists, which is that is brilliant. And the weight loss, weight loss industry has observed this phenomenon, social phenomena that, that they can actually openly make fun of large bodied people anymore, so they’d better get on the body positive kind of bandwagon. And so this is like the pantomime of body positivity. Look, we’ve got a human here, which we’re not depicting terribly. Aren’t we good? You know, they really, it’s a really performative kind of act to not dehumanize larger bodied people in their images. But make no mistake, that is still what they’re doing, because they continue to promote thinner bodied people as experts in these images that they put up.
Yeah, and helping like sad people who are not quite not quite well enough yet to. Yeah, and oh, anyway, you have done something about this, right? You have made it easier for us to detect whether something is really anti stigma, or whether it’s just pantomiming anti stuff.
Because as I said, at the top of the episode, it has driven me absolutely to distraction for a long time that we’ve got the narrative around weight stigma being controlled by those who work for weight loss industry for the purpose of promoting their products, essentially, or at least continuing to formalize this idea that a larger body is a disease itself and needs treatment. That’s kind of the narrative that’s costly. So I’ve been doing a fair bit of work with health promotion organizations over the last few years. And part of that work has been reviewing health promotion materials and public health campaigns and of course, through a man selling to be a bio ethicist. So I’ve used a lot of those assessment tasks in that process, in the degree to I’ve used those opportunities to apply to the way that body size is approached in the healthcare system, particularly in Australia. So it’s, as part of this work with health promoters by and the reviewing of the materials, these common themes kept coming through for me, and of course, I read a lot of research, I write research, I do research. And these themes again, pop up in the research, the misunderstandings around weight science, into the connections between health supporting behaviors and body size, which simply aren’t there in reality, but that is the kind of narrative that society diet culture would have us believe And then are upheld by these organizations that promote weight loss connections between body size and disease status, which may be present at like the kind of biggest population level. But when you zoom into an individual, they are the cannot apply group information to an individual, if you simply have as this the individuals in front of you. I mean, it is so obvious when you set one, but
yeah, like we should actually help people with their health care rather than kind of looking at massive population data. And then,
rather than assuming things about you, based on your body size, when I’m in a room where I can talk with you, maybe I should just like literally talk with you about these things. But the way that the weight loss industry would like to have all health professionals sort of behave is making those assumptions essentially. So long story short, I use some of my Christmas holidays last year, which is a very academic thing to do to write papers on holidays, because it’s time to do an extensive literature search, and to develop what I ended up calling the weight stigma heat map. And so heat map processes, I like risk heat maps from the business sector. So I work across business sector now, as well. And so this heat map, I envisaged a number of themes that might be in there and did a literature search to kind of make sure that I’d gotten all of the themes, and, and the heatmap process which assessed, it allows you to assess each of those these themes for how stigmatizing they are. So in the end, that once I had done all of the thematic analysis, or that sort of content crunching, and looking at that whole body of research, it came out to four different classifications within 10 themes. And the paper is open access, I’m sure Lou’s gonna put the link Oh, yes. And go and have a look. Yeah, but the four, the four classifications were the worst one, the overly stigmatizing one. Yeah. And then the next one, which hang on, I’m pulling up my thing because like,
and that’s so so the worst one, like the most stigmatizing has a color, right? It’s orange. So
a heat map is a visual, it’s a visual tool, so they can see the hot areas. And the
cool areas, the cold kind of anti stigma area.
Yes. Yep. And the hot Danger, danger will rub right kind of areas. Yeah, so the worst area category for weight stigma. So that was elements across those 10 themes that express stigmatizing or deficit space approaches towards fatness or higher BMI, people or things. And so for example, that’s the sort of headless fatty image before which is images of people, whether that’s photographs or drawings, or cartoons, or whatever,
the hell those videos that you always see on the news. So that’s like an absolutely stigmatizing image. Yeah, are people
grabbing their body, their fatter hearts. And looking disparagingly at them, you know, all of everyone is seen those because there’s so ubiquitous in media. And yeah, just everywhere, horrible. So that’s the worst scoring that’s for the image theme. And there are 10 Altogether, the next theme, which is still stigmatizing, but kind of like stigma light, I shouldn’t have said, but they’re kind of stigmatizing like could weight bias. And so that expresses a preference for thinner bodies, or a BMI of 25 or so that’s things like the top still in images, since that’s what really what we’re chatting about today, when there’s only smaller bodied people represented in an image or in a resource, or in a TV show, for example, as if larger bodied people don’t exist. promoting this idea that an ideal society is one with only smaller bodied people in their vision.
That is, what’s really grinding my gears at the moment is going to plus sized stores online. And they’re modeled on thinner people. I’m like, what
it’s like, again, I people just do not real. They’re just constantly standing on weight stigma landmines constantly. And this is why I thought it was really important to define these concepts. I mean, it’s not like I made up the term white bias, but in but in able to categorize with enough specificity that people can go. Yeah, there’s no better people in the room
that’s quite biased. And then if we’ve got weight stigma, it’s like if people represented it in really disparaging or dehumanizing ways.
Yeah, maybe the larger bodied person in the story is the villain, right?
Oh, yeah. Oh, much and then never
Ah, so that’s there. The two orange ones so the weight stigma category is a bright, bright orange and then it’s good. It’s orange to blue because red green is not good for people with colorblindness. So orange two times more accessible white Yeah, yeah, heatmap we’ve got
so just to kind of sorry, the weight stigma that would be the the idea of pathologizing people on the basis of weight like calling higher weight people diseased or an epidemic.
Yep, exactly. So that is in category or theme to higher body mass as a problem. So the most stigmatizing version of that is that the terms like overweight and obese and variations are used, that there’s a narrative that includes that the higher body weight is a chronic relapsing disease condition, and framing high BMI as unacceptable or unhealthy or abnormal or undesirable or dangerous. Any combination or single versions of that kind of narrative. So that all is in the the worst category of weight stigma here. They start to like you and whenever you read a research paper, whether whether it be says in there bang, that is you failed, stigmatizing.
Before the first sentence is finished,
correct? Correct. And also like crisis terms for population body mass distribution, like obesity epidemic, hello, la.
Keep going like this, like everyone’s going to be fat, and then the whole world will end?
Yes, all of that. But that’s in the worst of the worst, that’s bad. Okay, if we move on to the blue categories, now, they’re not universally, this is not an easy walk down the path. But the next one, Category Two is simply weight bias neutral, which should be we should consider actually the worst because the world has got more large bodied people and smaller bodied people in it. But in weight bias neutral. It just has depicts people as they are and supports inclusion of people across the BMI span. So there’s depiction in the picture in the imagery, one, you’ve got loads of other people in smaller body people just existing being. Yeah. Yeah. Which feels when we when we live in category four, Category Two, weight bias neutral, feels revolutionary. But it’s not enough. in category one is an openly anti stigma frame where larger bodied people are leading. They are solely depicted. They’re the ones in charge. And that it’s a normal state. For people to have.
Okay, so not just tolerated, but included. Yeah, yeah. data presented
in the way that lunch powerfully exist. Yeah. powerful ways. Yeah. Exactly. And leading research on body size. Yeah. And leading countries and leading all the things that is really because the fact that that isn’t reality now. It’s not like they had a grateful, right,
it, we really do leaving, like when you honestly, when you talk about category one, liberation, I guess, inclusion that does feel like well, we are so far from that we are, we are kind of maybe DPS Kappeler toes into weight bias neutral. But there’s so much further to go. And it can be so wonderful to go here.
Yeah. And there’s, there’s panic about that, because it’s that it’s that category one anti stigma frame that invites comments like glorification of obesity, right? Yeah. I just can’t, right. So the you can get the kind of pushback is going to be hardest against category one, because it’s so foreign when we live in category four. So
yeah, but you know, I kind of reflect again, back to, you know, this referendum on should we allow gay marriage in Australia? And then we got to Yes, and now, like it is, hopefully, it’s quickly moving into like, yeah, you know, we, we, we do weddings, and we don’t differentiate between her we’re doing them for this is we can really pivot quite quickly. And that’s because I know that we can sometimes get so angry about weight stigma and how short it is, but really the pivot and the change, like, if we can move from like headless fatties into like, pretty condescending, pity inducing images. In a few years, I reckon we can keep pushing. And this is why your paper is so terrific because it literally allows people to go read your paper and look at a resource or a media release or even a picture, quickly kind of figure out how stigmatizing it’s because you kind of give them a scores, right?
Yeah, so you can depict the heatmap as a like it, just imagine a matrix with a whole heap of different colors on there. So one that’s all blue is going to be very fat positive. And one that’s all orange is going to be highly stigmatizing but there’s ebbs and flows usually through most resources, they won’t come out and say openly what they actually think. So sometimes they get some blue in their butt. As the second depicted visually like that, or it’s also got a scoring system too. So, positive scoring, if it’s less, stigmatizing negative scoring, if it’s more stigmatizing, so you can compare resource to resource and see where the areas that really need scrutiny are, when this can
be so brilliant. So like, you can do it everywhere, right from government policy, which you did usually.
Because I wasn’t going to use because I use this process with some of my consulting clients, the organizations, and I couldn’t use what they had paid me to assess, of course, because that’s sort of commercial incompetence. So I thought, you know, what, I really am interested in seeing how Australia’s national obesity strategy come down. So I did that. That is the example I’ve used in this paper. So and in the supplementary materials, it goes through every single element, and what the issue or the good thing was mostly issues to be fair and wide, ended up with score that it did. And so minus 20, I’m looking at the little I think you’ll remember that there’s actually only 10 themes and the the maximum negative score. Classification is minus two. So
it’s almost a perfect score. thing, it’s
a perfect negative score. That’s what the total scores, but you know, in terms of imagery, they were minus 11, in terms of their confidence, that weight is a volitionally, modifiable factor, you know, if people just sort of change their lifestyle, then their weight will change as well. This is you know, the narrative, even in a document like the National obesity strategy, which damn well should have, yeah, we’ll have evidence used for it, it still came out, like all categories, except for one all, all parts of the document, except for one had the most severe weight stigma scoring. So that was minus 15. For that theme,
which is it is interesting, because the entire national obesity strategy paper talks in detail about weight stigma and how it’s a terrible problem. Yeah, and in order to reduce weight steeper, everyone should follow its guidelines. But this is why your tool is so magnificent, because it can, it literally it’s a bullshit 16th device.
Right, then that is why that’s why I wanted to get it out there into the public domain. So people could start using it, mostly to apply to existing materials, that you know, many people working in size, inclusive health and size inclusive research, we know, when we see it, things that are not quite right. But in order to get any movement. To assess this, particularly in research, you need to have some kind of tool where you can compare resources, and be able to see what those iffy things really are. So that was my motivation behind developing that and I want it out there people can use it themselves. It’s completely kind of open, open access open access paper, and you can use it in whichever way you want to use it in your work. And I also hope to provide some pointers, I guess, for people who are developing new resources so that they can preempt elements that might be stigmatizing in there and literally develop things list stigmatizing from the get go.
Oh, I just absolutely love this. And from your weight stigma hate map, the entire show article that I was talking about in the last episode is a minus 20. With you know, without even it does, it doesn’t matter if people are using the language of anti stigma, if what they’re actually doing is is in the red zone. It’s so cool. Yeah. created here. Thank you. It’s just, yeah,
it was a labor of love. And you know, one of those things where you really feel like, you have no choice but to put it out in the world. Yeah, so I do this,
this is your calling. Right? This is how this is how you do it, like in the school holidays like whereas I spend my you know, school holidays blowing up inflatables to stick in tools. You’re doing the meaningful work more days later, really? Oh my gosh, okay, well, where can people find you? And how can if people want to kind of immediately work with you? How do they find you?
So I think the clearest path to seeing what I’m all about at the moment is actually through LinkedIn, which is a bit sad because it is like Facebook for professionals. But LinkedIn has got the most up to date stuff about me there my other websites are kind of correct and they’ll LinkedIn will always point to the right places so you can take the paths from there. I am also I’m on Twitter, I’m on as of less than 24 hours ago. threads
on that too. Don’t know I’m doing but
I have no idea I have posted a thing. But also Facebook, I’m on as health not diets. That’s my page on there. And I’m on Insta as at Fiona Willer as well. But if you want to get in contact about working with me or when me wanting organizations towards my work to know if they’re considering working with me to do some materials review or organization or review, LinkedIn is probably the most sensible place.
Perfect. Okay, well, don’t work too hard, because you’re a national treasure.
And you could tell the people around me that that’d be great.
Thank you so much.
No problem. Thanks so much for having me on again.
Well, what a powerhouse is Dr. Fiona Wheeler, my goodness, make sure you go and check her out. And of course, use the weight stigma heatmap to dissect suspicious wave stigma packages. I’ll put a link to Fiona’s paper in the transcripts on our website under podcast. Okay, everyone, thank you so much for listening. I’ll be back next week with more steaming diet culture bullshit. Take care of yourself and trust your body. Think critically push back against diet, culture – UNTRAP from the crap!


Here’s the Medscape article with the stigmatising picture in it

And the actual “study” – brought to you by WW

Fiona Willer’s wonderful antidote to fake weight stigma – The Weight Stigma Heat Map